FAQ for rec.sport.soccer
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Frequently Asked Questions for rec.sport.soccer
Latest version: 6 APRIL 2006
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
1. INTRODUCTION
2. CREDITS
3. FAQ: REC.SPORT.SOCCER
4. Q&A: TERMINOLOGY OF INTERNATIONAL COMPETITION
5. WHY SOCCER?
6. RSS INTERNET RELAY CHAT (IRC)
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1. INTRODUCTION
Welcome to rec.sport.soccer! This newsgroup is
dedicated to the discussion of all things soccer and is
a source of news including the latest results. You can
just read the news and discussions or join in by posting
to the group. The FAQ should be seen as a general
guideline to posting to or reading the messages in the
r.s.s. community. It won't answer every question you
might have, it's only intended to answer FREQUENTLY
asked questions. If you think there is something which
is not in this FAQ but should be, please post your
opinions in r.s.s. or email the FAQ maintainer (see the
CREDITS section).
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2. CREDITS
Contributors to the original 1995 FAQ were Thomas 'the
Tank Engine' Esamie (original maintenance), Chris Allen,
Marcelo Weinberger, Tom Fragala, Llolsten Kaonga, Garry
Archer, Gordon Walker, Tim Astley, Yonghee Choi, Colin
Morris, Tulio Hernandez, Oliver Tse, Ates Temeltas,
Reinhard Kahle and Hans Huttel. The web address of the
original version is http://rsssf.com/rssbest/rssfaq.htm
Much of the original 1995 version remains in the current
2006 version. Where possible this has been acknowledged
(assuming the original contributor is known). The
current version of the FAQ is maintained by Joh Lange
(johdl@hotmail.com). Major contributors were Karel
Stokkermans and Ll‚o, thanks to Daniele Paserman, Jim
Goloboy, James Allnutt, Juan Vazquez, Robbie and MH for
suggestions. R.S.S posts were used in answering some of
the FAQs (contributions are noted in the text).
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3. FAQ: REC.SPORT.SOCCER
Q : Why was this group called rec.sport.soccer?
A : rec.sport.football was already used by devotees of
gridiron. The USENET, being a US based facility,
favoured football to be used in association with
american football. rec.sport.soccer grew out of
rec.sport.misc and big thanks go to Hans Huttel for
giving us our own group which was born unto the Internet
in December 1989. Further origins of the word 'soccer'
is in the WHY SOCCER? section (Section 5).
Q : How many people are there on this group and what
kind of traffic in terms of articles has it got?
A : Nobody knows how many people read r.s.s, there are
many silent readers and you will see articles from all
over the globe. Current stats (2006) suggest well over
100 regular contributors who post more than 5 articles a
month. This can rise to a thousand posters for the
duration of an important event such as the FIFA World
Cup.
Q. Should I post scorelines of just completed games in
r.s.s?
A. Imagine you've just seen a stupendous game and you
are keen to post the result, or your team has won an
important game against a detested rival and you want to
crow about it. Now imagine that you are a fan at the
other end of the globe and are looking forward to the
telecast which will be shown a day or two later. Rather
than expecting the second fan to desist from the reading
RSS for the duration and having the articles pile up, a
little care by the person who posts the score is
appropriate. In RSS we have a policy of not putting the
scoreline in the header, or even hinting at the result
such as "Arsenal won the Cup". The convention is to
post [R] Marseille v Milan in the header. The [R] warns
readers that the post contains a result. They can avoid
reading it if they are still waiting for a game to be
televised and don't wish to know the result of the game.
When you're happy about a result it's often difficult to
resist or to remember. But please try and contain scores
in the body of the article and avoid hints in the
header.
Q : Where can I get information on the league of a
particular country?
A : Many of the major leagues, and some of the minor
ones, have regular updates posted in r.s.s.
Occasionally you will see the acronym RSSSF used in
rec.sport.soccer. RSSSF is the rec.sport.soccer
statistics foundation. It has a comprehensive website
that contains up-to-date and historical information for
all the major and most of the minor leagues in the
world. To access this site go to http://rsssf.com/
For scores of games under way there are many websites
that contain text commentary or score updates. One of
these is http://www.livescore.com/
Q : What do I do if I am desperate for a particular
result?
A : Again unless it is an obscure match the result will
almost certainly be found on the internet somewhere. If
it is really important to you, try posting a request in
r.s.s. Someone may respond, again, we have readers from
all over the world.
Q : Does RSS hold any prediction leagues or tipping
comps?
A : Fantasy leagues, prediction and tipping competitions
are currently held for major European club competitions
and international events such as the World Cup or
European Championships. Details are usually posted in
r.s.s. before the league starts or an international
tournament is played. Best to get in early as numbers
are limited, especially in fantasy leagues.
Q. Does RSS have a website?
A. The RSSSF Archive has a best of RSS page with the
best articles from the previous two decades. If you see
an article you think should be on the best of RSS page
email the maintainer of the page. See
http://www.rsssf.com/rssbest/
Q. Who is the best player in the world?
A. Always a problematic question. So RSS gives its own
international player of the year award. Voters choose
from a list of eligible players and rank 5 players in
order. The vote is held every January. After the votes
are tallied the rec.sport.soccer Player of the Year is
awarded in February (for the previous calendar year).
See http://www.rsssf.com/rssbest/rsspoy-overview.html
for more details. The previous winners of the award are:
1992: MARCO VAN BASTEN, Milan AC, The Netherlands
1993: ROBERTO BAGGIO, Juventus FC, Italy
1994: ROMµRIO, CR Flamengo, Brazil
1995: GEORGE WEAH, Milan AC, Liberia
1996: RONALDO, FC Barcelona, Brazil
1997: RONALDO, FC Internazionale, Brazil
1998: ZINEDINE ZIDANE, Juventus FC, France
1999: RIVALDO, FC Barcelona, Brazil
2000: LUIS FIGO, Real Madrid CF, Portugal
2001: MICHAEL OWEN, Liverpool FC, England
2002: RONALDO, Real Madrid CF, Brazil
2003: PAVEL NEDVED, Juventus FC, Czech Republic
2004: RONALDINHO, FC Barcelona, Brazil
2005: RONALDINHO, FC Barcelona, Brazil
Q. Why is my country ranked number 49 in the world when
any reasonable thinking person knows they should be in
the top 10?
A. Good question. Many in r.s.s. exhibit disbelief when
the official rankings are released monthly by FIFA. Some
r.s.s. regulars have pondered this problem and devised
their own ranking systems in opposition to the official
(www.fifa.com/en/mens/statistics/index/Competitors).
Regular posters of rankings include:
AQB (Myk Cameron): http://www.image.co.nz/aqb/
ELO (Kirill): http://www.eloratings.net/
Q. Are there any other guidelines for how I should
behave on r.s.s.?
A. Rather than spend half the FAQ on usenet etiquette it
is better to summarise and point you to the web for a
more comprehensive explanation of how usenet works. In
summary there are etiquette guidelines for usenet that
most group members are asked to follow lest usenet
become unusable. A good guide can be found at
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/primer/part1/ From this
page, the general things to remember are as follows:
Be careful what you say about others.
Be brief.
Your postings reflect upon you; be proud of them.
Use descriptive titles
Think about your audience.
Only post a message once.
Summarize what you are following up.
Double-check follow-up newsgroups and distributions.
Be careful about copyrights and licenses.
Cite appropriate references.
When summarising, summarise.
Do not put spoilers (results of games) in headers.
There's not much point to a spelling flame.
Your language might not be the first language of
the person you are criticising.
Don't overdo signatures.
Limit line length to 80 characters or less.
Do not use Usenet as an advertising medium.
Avoid posting to multiple newsgroups (cross-posting).
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4. Q&A: TERMINOLOGY OF INTERNATIONAL COMPETITION
Q. What is FIFA?
A. FIFA is the 'Federation Internationale de Football
Association', the international federation of national
football associations. FIFA is the international ruling
body of our game and the organiser of World Cups.
See http://www.fifa.com/ for details
Q. What is the WORLD CUP, COUPE DU MONDE, MUNDIAL,
WC'06?
A. This refers to the World Championship held every 4
years since 1930 (there were no 1942 or 1946
championships). Sometimes the year of the championship
is affixed (eg WC'90), and is sometimes referred to by
the name of the host (eg Italia 90 or USA 94). Only
seven teams have won this tournament, Uruguay (1930,
'50), Italy ('34, '38, '82), Germany ('54, '74, '90),
Brazil ('58, '62,'70, '94, '02), England ('66),
Argentina ('78, '86) and France ('98).
See http://www.fifaworldcup.com/ for full results and
historical information for previously held World Cups.
Q. How is qualification decided for the WORLD CUP?
A. For the next World Cup, the continental allocations
of berths for the 32 team tournament to be held in
Germany in June-July 2006 were as follows:
EUROPE: 14 (including the hosts Germany)
AFRICA: 5
SOUTH AMERICA: 4.5
ASIA: 4.5
NTH AMERICA, CENTRAL AMERICA & CARIBBEAN: 3.5
OCEANIA: 0.5
After qualification within confederations and playoffs
between confederations, the following teams qualified
for the 2006 World Cup:
EUROPE: Croatia, Czech Republic, England, France,
Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Serbia &
Montenegro, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Ukraine.
AFRICA: Angola, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Togo, Tunisia.
SOUTH AMERICA: Argentina, Brazil, Ecuador, Paraguay.
ASIA: Iran, Japan, Saudi Arabia, South Korea.
NTH AMERICA, CENTRAL AMERICA & CARIBBEAN: Costa Rica,
Mexico, Trinidad & Tobago, United States.
OCEANIA: Australia
Q. What does UEFA mean?
A. l'Union des associations europ‚ennes de football (The
Union of European Football Associations).
Q. How can I find out how qualification is determined
for the UEFA Champions League and the UEFA Cup?
A. Rather than attempting to reinvent the wheel you're
much better off having a look at Bert Kassies' website.
On this site you will find everything about the
calculation of coefficients and rankings used for the
qualification and seeding of teams for the Champions
League and the UEFA Cup. The following very useful
general information is available: a database with all
results and rankings, graphs of ranking data, a
selection of published articles, links to other football
sites, a forum for discussions on European Cup football,
you can search for match results and a good history is
available with the formats of competitions in previous
years, and an overview of all clubs participating in
European Cups since 1955. The web address of Bert's site
is http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/
Q. What is the G14?
A. The "Group of 14" was formed in the year 2000 by 14
major European clubs in an attempt to protect their own
financial interests. The idea came about because the
clubs receive no compensation for contracted players who
are injured when called up for international duty by
their country. They also receive no financial benefit
from tournaments such as the FIFA World Cup, although
many of the players involved in the tournament are
"assets" of their clubs acording to the members of the
G14. The opposing argument is that players who are
called up for international duty increase in value if
they play well for their country, leading to large
transfer profits for their clubs. Another suspicion is
that the clubs are planning to set up their own league
in opposition to the UEFA European Champions League.
Unsurprisingly, UEFA is opposed to the plan, as is FIFA.
The clubs involved are almost all former Champions Cup
or Champions League winners. From the original 14 the
member clubs have since increased to 18. The current
member clubs (2006) are Arsenal, Liverpool & Manchester
Utd (England), Marseille, PSG & Lyon (France), Bayern
Munich, Bayer Leverkusen & Borussia Dortmund (Germany),
Juventus, Inter Milan & AC Milan (Italy), Ajax & PSV
Eindhoven (Netherlands), Porto (Portugal), and
Barcelona, Real Madrid & Valencia (Spain). Champions
League winners who were not invited include Red Star
Belgrade (1991), Steaua Bucarest (1986), Hamburger SV
(1983), Aston Villa (1982), Nottingham Forest (1979-80),
Feyenoord Rotterdam (1970), Celtic Glasgow (1967) &
Benfica Lisbonne (1961-62) (contributions by 7h@ch,
THEPOSH, Aegis and ruud).
Q. What is CONMEBOL?
A. Confederacion sudamericana de futbol, the South
American Football Federation. The acronym was not CSF
or similar because the organisers wanted to use the
first, middle and last letters rather than just the
initials.
Q. What is the COPA LIBERTADORES?
By Karel Stokkermans
(from http://www.rsssf.com/sacups/copalib.html)
The Copa Libertadores de Am‚rica (the Liberators Cup) is
the most important South American club tournament, set
up following the success of the European (Champions)
Cup. Originally, each country entered one club (the
national champions, though for Brazil the cup winners
entered as there was no national league at the time).
From 1966 on, each country entered two teams (apart from
possibly the holders, which were exempt until the
semifinals (second round) until the late eighties. Since
1998, Mexican teams are invited; until 2003 they had to
enter a preliminary round with the Venezolan
participants. Since 2000, countries have more than two
entries; the main tournament now has 32 slots (for 11
countries), with a preliminary round involving 12 teams,
of which 6 progress to the group stage (so in total, 38
participants). In 1948, a Copa de Campeones was held in
Santiago, won by Vasco da Gama of Brazil; this
tournament has been recognised as a precursor of the
Copa Libertadores by the South American Federation
(CSF).
Q. What is the COPA AMERICA?
By Ll‚o: The Copa America has traditionally been a
tournament between the 10 national teams representing
the FA members of CONMEBOL, but since 1993 two invited
teams from outside the region (usually Concacaf, but
Japan entered the 1999 edition) also enter the
tournament. Regularly played since 1917, this cup is one
of the world's oldest international soccer events.
Although it was officially played every 4 years (except
for the 1971 edition, which was cancelled), there have
been many special editions so that the frequency has not
been constant. However, from 1987 to 2001 the tournament
was played every two years. With the only exception of
the 1975, '79, and '83 editions, which were played on a
home-away basis, the tournament takes place in a host
country. The most cups have been won by Argentina (14)
and Uruguay (14), followed by Brazil (7), Paraguay (2),
Peru (2), Bolivia (1) and Colombia (1), a total of 41.
Q. What is CONCACAF?
A. It is the confederation of North, Central American
and Caribbean Football.
Q. What is the TOYOTA CUP / WORLD CLUB CHAMPIONSHIP /
INTERCONTINENTAL CUP?
By Ll‚o: The Intercontinental Cup was a head-to-head
tournament, on a home-away basis, held between the
winners of the EC1 and the Copa Libertadores, played
from 1960 to 1979. From 1980 until 2004, for sponsorship
reasons, it was renamed the Toyota Cup and held as an
one-off game in Japan (Tokyo, and later Yokohama). It
passes itself off as the World Club Championship, and
although it was effectively only open to teams from
Europe and South America there is a fair amount of
substance to the claim. South America held a lead of 22-
21 in terms of Cups won.
The FIFA World Club Championship is a tournament held
between the continental champions from all FIFA member
confederations. It was first held in 2000 in Brasil, but
not originally as a replacement of the Toyota Cup and
only came back in 2005 in Japan. The 2005 edition
replaced the old Toyota Cup."
Q : Can I get a copy of the Laws of the Game anywhere?
A : Yes. The best place to find the Laws is the FIFA
website as it is likely to be up-to-date. See:
http://www.fifa.com/en/regulations/index.html
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5. WHY SOCCER? (By Garry Archer)
I am an Englishman that has taken on himself a personal
crusade to respond to comments regarding the use of the
"American" word for football. I have seen them over and
over again on the worldwide computer news network,
USENET, in its rec.sport.soccer newsgroup where I have
been an active contributor for several years.
To love the game of football is to love its rich history
also. It particularly disturbs me when modern fans of
the game less conversed in this history do not fully
understand that the word "soccer" is an English -- NOT
American -- word derived from the second syllable of the
word "association".
"Soccer" was originally called "association football"
during the formation of the Football Association in
England in the 1860s. This was to maintain a
distinction from the other football game being organised
in England at the same time based on the handling codes,
whilst Association Football conformed to the dribbling
codes. The other football came to be known as "rugby"
football, named after the Rugby School in England, where
it is said that a certain young student, William Webb
Ellis, picked up the ball in his hands during an
association football match and ran with it over the
goal line. Master Ellis asked his teacher, who was
refereeing, if that was a goal. The reply was, "No, but
it was a jolly good 'try'", which is where one of the
rugby scoring terms comes from. Rugby Union was
formally organised by 1871, but suffered another split
by 1893 when Rugby League was formed. I digress.
Near the end of 1863, Charles Wreford-Brown, who later
became a notable official of the Football Association,
was asked by some friends at Oxford whether he cared to
join them for a game of "rugger" (rugby). He is said to
have refused, preferring instead to go for a game of
"soccer" -- a play on the word "association". The name
caught on.
English public schoolboys love to nickname things, then
as much as now. The tendency is to add "er" to the end
of many words. Rugby [Union] Football became "rugby",
and then "rugger". Association Football was better know
as "assoccer" and naturally evolved into "soccer" which
is much easier for a schoolboy to say...
Therefore, the word "soccer" has been used in the mother
country of all football-type games since at least the
mid-19th century. The word "football", however, was
more descriptive of the game (i.e. kicking a ball with
the feet!) and was the term more frequently used. The
British exported the game, so naturally the word
"football" was the name mostly used all over the world.
In recent decades it has been noted that the word
"soccer" is apparently increasing in usage. The word
"football" still appears in formal designations,
however, in for example, Federation Internationale de
Football Association (FIFA). The word "soccer" is more
commonly used in several countries around the world that
play other forms of football. Australians have
Australian Football. The Irish have Gaelic football.
In the USA and Canada, of course, there is Gridiron
football. Rugby Union, Rugby League, Australian Rules,
Gaelic, American and Canadian football all owe their
roots to Association football. With the exception of
Gaelic Football, they all use an ovoid shaped ball.
None is as popular around the world as Association
football.
"Football" is the world standard name for "soccer". I
always used the word "football" (and still do, wherever
I can). The word "soccer", however, is engrained into
the origins of the modern game of association football
as much as any other aspect of The Game much of the
world enjoys today.
Finally, it must be remembered that British football,
both association and rugby, had been organised in the
19th century by people in the upper echelons of the
English educational system, from "exotic" schools,
colleges and universities as Harrow, Eton, Oxford and
Cambridge, just for starters. As I stated earler,
students of the Victorian era, as much as now, loved
nicknames and "soccer" and "rugger" were the accepted
everyday names for those people. These were sports for
gentlemen.
When the games were taken up by those less fortunate
enough to have received the higher (and more expensive)
levels of education the game of soccer became very
popular with the masses. Rugger, less so. As the rules
became increasingly divergent between the two sports,
soccer became the people's sport and rugger remained
more of a "gentleman's" game. Ever heard the phrase,
"Soccer is a gentleman's game played by ruffians and
Rugby is a ruffian's game played by gentlemen"?
So "soccer" was a fanciful, gentleman's name for the
sport. The mere, common man started to call it
"football" for the obvious reason that it's a game about
a ball kicked with the foot. The game, and the word,
was exported by British workers, students and merchant
and naval seamen all over the world in the latter 19th
and early 20th century ... and the name, and the game,
blossomed.
I prefer to call it "footy" myself!
Yours in football,
Garry Archer
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6. INTERNET RELAY CHAT (IRC)
As of April 2006 the only current irc channel used
regularly by RSS contributors is on the austnet network.
To access IRC you need IRC software. The most popular
versions are:
MIRC (for PC)
PIRCH98 (for PC)
XCHAT (for Linux)
IRCLE (for Apple)
These can found easily with a WWW search. After
downloading and installing the software you need to
access the AUSTNET Network. A list of available servers
is kept at http://www.austnet.org/servers.php The
current listing (April 2006) has the following servers:
netspace.vic.au.austnet.org
comcen.nsw.au.austnet.org
pacific.sg.austnet.org
starhub.sg.austnet.org
fnode.il.us.austnet.org
cyclone.il.us.austnet.org
njit.nj.us.austnet.org
Using the first server in the list above as an example,
accessing the austnet network from your IRC software is
as simple as typing the command:
/server netspace.vic.au.austnet.org
After accessing the server, the following channels are
available for RSS users:
#rss
#wcrss (during world cups)
You can join a channel by typing the command:
/join #rss or
/join #wcrss