==================================================== Frequently Asked Questions for rec.sport.soccer Latest version: 6 APRIL 2006 ==================================================== TABLE OF CONTENTS 1. INTRODUCTION 2. CREDITS 3. FAQ: REC.SPORT.SOCCER 4. Q&A: TERMINOLOGY OF INTERNATIONAL COMPETITION 5. WHY SOCCER? 6. RSS INTERNET RELAY CHAT (IRC) ***** 1. INTRODUCTION Welcome to rec.sport.soccer! This newsgroup is dedicated to the discussion of all things soccer and is a source of news including the latest results. You can just read the news and discussions or join in by posting to the group. The FAQ should be seen as a general guideline to posting to or reading the messages in the r.s.s. community. It won't answer every question you might have, it's only intended to answer FREQUENTLY asked questions. If you think there is something which is not in this FAQ but should be, please post your opinions in r.s.s. or email the FAQ maintainer (see the CREDITS section). ***** 2. CREDITS Contributors to the original 1995 FAQ were Thomas 'the Tank Engine' Esamie (original maintenance), Chris Allen, Marcelo Weinberger, Tom Fragala, Llolsten Kaonga, Garry Archer, Gordon Walker, Tim Astley, Yonghee Choi, Colin Morris, Tulio Hernandez, Oliver Tse, Ates Temeltas, Reinhard Kahle and Hans Huttel. The web address of the original version is http://rsssf.com/rssbest/rssfaq.htm Much of the original 1995 version remains in the current 2006 version. Where possible this has been acknowledged (assuming the original contributor is known). The current version of the FAQ is maintained by Joh Lange (johdl@hotmail.com). Major contributors were Karel Stokkermans and Ll‚o, thanks to Daniele Paserman, Jim Goloboy, James Allnutt, Juan Vazquez, Robbie and MH for suggestions. R.S.S posts were used in answering some of the FAQs (contributions are noted in the text). ***** 3. FAQ: REC.SPORT.SOCCER Q : Why was this group called rec.sport.soccer? A : rec.sport.football was already used by devotees of gridiron. The USENET, being a US based facility, favoured football to be used in association with american football. rec.sport.soccer grew out of rec.sport.misc and big thanks go to Hans Huttel for giving us our own group which was born unto the Internet in December 1989. Further origins of the word 'soccer' is in the WHY SOCCER? section (Section 5). Q : How many people are there on this group and what kind of traffic in terms of articles has it got? A : Nobody knows how many people read r.s.s, there are many silent readers and you will see articles from all over the globe. Current stats (2006) suggest well over 100 regular contributors who post more than 5 articles a month. This can rise to a thousand posters for the duration of an important event such as the FIFA World Cup. Q. Should I post scorelines of just completed games in r.s.s? A. Imagine you've just seen a stupendous game and you are keen to post the result, or your team has won an important game against a detested rival and you want to crow about it. Now imagine that you are a fan at the other end of the globe and are looking forward to the telecast which will be shown a day or two later. Rather than expecting the second fan to desist from the reading RSS for the duration and having the articles pile up, a little care by the person who posts the score is appropriate. In RSS we have a policy of not putting the scoreline in the header, or even hinting at the result such as "Arsenal won the Cup". The convention is to post [R] Marseille v Milan in the header. The [R] warns readers that the post contains a result. They can avoid reading it if they are still waiting for a game to be televised and don't wish to know the result of the game. When you're happy about a result it's often difficult to resist or to remember. But please try and contain scores in the body of the article and avoid hints in the header. Q : Where can I get information on the league of a particular country? A : Many of the major leagues, and some of the minor ones, have regular updates posted in r.s.s. Occasionally you will see the acronym RSSSF used in rec.sport.soccer. RSSSF is the rec.sport.soccer statistics foundation. It has a comprehensive website that contains up-to-date and historical information for all the major and most of the minor leagues in the world. To access this site go to http://rsssf.com/ For scores of games under way there are many websites that contain text commentary or score updates. One of these is http://www.livescore.com/ Q : What do I do if I am desperate for a particular result? A : Again unless it is an obscure match the result will almost certainly be found on the internet somewhere. If it is really important to you, try posting a request in r.s.s. Someone may respond, again, we have readers from all over the world. Q : Does RSS hold any prediction leagues or tipping comps? A : Fantasy leagues, prediction and tipping competitions are currently held for major European club competitions and international events such as the World Cup or European Championships. Details are usually posted in r.s.s. before the league starts or an international tournament is played. Best to get in early as numbers are limited, especially in fantasy leagues. Q. Does RSS have a website? A. The RSSSF Archive has a best of RSS page with the best articles from the previous two decades. If you see an article you think should be on the best of RSS page email the maintainer of the page. See http://www.rsssf.com/rssbest/ Q. Who is the best player in the world? A. Always a problematic question. So RSS gives its own international player of the year award. Voters choose from a list of eligible players and rank 5 players in order. The vote is held every January. After the votes are tallied the rec.sport.soccer Player of the Year is awarded in February (for the previous calendar year). See http://www.rsssf.com/rssbest/rsspoy-overview.html for more details. The previous winners of the award are: 1992: MARCO VAN BASTEN, Milan AC, The Netherlands 1993: ROBERTO BAGGIO, Juventus FC, Italy 1994: ROMµRIO, CR Flamengo, Brazil 1995: GEORGE WEAH, Milan AC, Liberia 1996: RONALDO, FC Barcelona, Brazil 1997: RONALDO, FC Internazionale, Brazil 1998: ZINEDINE ZIDANE, Juventus FC, France 1999: RIVALDO, FC Barcelona, Brazil 2000: LUIS FIGO, Real Madrid CF, Portugal 2001: MICHAEL OWEN, Liverpool FC, England 2002: RONALDO, Real Madrid CF, Brazil 2003: PAVEL NEDVED, Juventus FC, Czech Republic 2004: RONALDINHO, FC Barcelona, Brazil 2005: RONALDINHO, FC Barcelona, Brazil Q. Why is my country ranked number 49 in the world when any reasonable thinking person knows they should be in the top 10? A. Good question. Many in r.s.s. exhibit disbelief when the official rankings are released monthly by FIFA. Some r.s.s. regulars have pondered this problem and devised their own ranking systems in opposition to the official (www.fifa.com/en/mens/statistics/index/Competitors). Regular posters of rankings include: AQB (Myk Cameron): http://www.image.co.nz/aqb/ ELO (Kirill): http://www.eloratings.net/ Q. Are there any other guidelines for how I should behave on r.s.s.? A. Rather than spend half the FAQ on usenet etiquette it is better to summarise and point you to the web for a more comprehensive explanation of how usenet works. In summary there are etiquette guidelines for usenet that most group members are asked to follow lest usenet become unusable. A good guide can be found at http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/primer/part1/ From this page, the general things to remember are as follows: Be careful what you say about others. Be brief. Your postings reflect upon you; be proud of them. Use descriptive titles Think about your audience. Only post a message once. Summarize what you are following up. Double-check follow-up newsgroups and distributions. Be careful about copyrights and licenses. Cite appropriate references. When summarising, summarise. Do not put spoilers (results of games) in headers. There's not much point to a spelling flame. Your language might not be the first language of the person you are criticising. Don't overdo signatures. Limit line length to 80 characters or less. Do not use Usenet as an advertising medium. Avoid posting to multiple newsgroups (cross-posting). ***** 4. Q&A: TERMINOLOGY OF INTERNATIONAL COMPETITION Q. What is FIFA? A. FIFA is the 'Federation Internationale de Football Association', the international federation of national football associations. FIFA is the international ruling body of our game and the organiser of World Cups. See http://www.fifa.com/ for details Q. What is the WORLD CUP, COUPE DU MONDE, MUNDIAL, WC'06? A. This refers to the World Championship held every 4 years since 1930 (there were no 1942 or 1946 championships). Sometimes the year of the championship is affixed (eg WC'90), and is sometimes referred to by the name of the host (eg Italia 90 or USA 94). Only seven teams have won this tournament, Uruguay (1930, '50), Italy ('34, '38, '82), Germany ('54, '74, '90), Brazil ('58, '62,'70, '94, '02), England ('66), Argentina ('78, '86) and France ('98). See http://www.fifaworldcup.com/ for full results and historical information for previously held World Cups. Q. How is qualification decided for the WORLD CUP? A. For the next World Cup, the continental allocations of berths for the 32 team tournament to be held in Germany in June-July 2006 were as follows: EUROPE: 14 (including the hosts Germany) AFRICA: 5 SOUTH AMERICA: 4.5 ASIA: 4.5 NTH AMERICA, CENTRAL AMERICA & CARIBBEAN: 3.5 OCEANIA: 0.5 After qualification within confederations and playoffs between confederations, the following teams qualified for the 2006 World Cup: EUROPE: Croatia, Czech Republic, England, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Serbia & Montenegro, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Ukraine. AFRICA: Angola, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Togo, Tunisia. SOUTH AMERICA: Argentina, Brazil, Ecuador, Paraguay. ASIA: Iran, Japan, Saudi Arabia, South Korea. NTH AMERICA, CENTRAL AMERICA & CARIBBEAN: Costa Rica, Mexico, Trinidad & Tobago, United States. OCEANIA: Australia Q. What does UEFA mean? A. l'Union des associations europ‚ennes de football (The Union of European Football Associations). Q. How can I find out how qualification is determined for the UEFA Champions League and the UEFA Cup? A. Rather than attempting to reinvent the wheel you're much better off having a look at Bert Kassies' website. On this site you will find everything about the calculation of coefficients and rankings used for the qualification and seeding of teams for the Champions League and the UEFA Cup. The following very useful general information is available: a database with all results and rankings, graphs of ranking data, a selection of published articles, links to other football sites, a forum for discussions on European Cup football, you can search for match results and a good history is available with the formats of competitions in previous years, and an overview of all clubs participating in European Cups since 1955. The web address of Bert's site is http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/ Q. What is the G14? A. The "Group of 14" was formed in the year 2000 by 14 major European clubs in an attempt to protect their own financial interests. The idea came about because the clubs receive no compensation for contracted players who are injured when called up for international duty by their country. They also receive no financial benefit from tournaments such as the FIFA World Cup, although many of the players involved in the tournament are "assets" of their clubs acording to the members of the G14. The opposing argument is that players who are called up for international duty increase in value if they play well for their country, leading to large transfer profits for their clubs. Another suspicion is that the clubs are planning to set up their own league in opposition to the UEFA European Champions League. Unsurprisingly, UEFA is opposed to the plan, as is FIFA. The clubs involved are almost all former Champions Cup or Champions League winners. From the original 14 the member clubs have since increased to 18. The current member clubs (2006) are Arsenal, Liverpool & Manchester Utd (England), Marseille, PSG & Lyon (France), Bayern Munich, Bayer Leverkusen & Borussia Dortmund (Germany), Juventus, Inter Milan & AC Milan (Italy), Ajax & PSV Eindhoven (Netherlands), Porto (Portugal), and Barcelona, Real Madrid & Valencia (Spain). Champions League winners who were not invited include Red Star Belgrade (1991), Steaua Bucarest (1986), Hamburger SV (1983), Aston Villa (1982), Nottingham Forest (1979-80), Feyenoord Rotterdam (1970), Celtic Glasgow (1967) & Benfica Lisbonne (1961-62) (contributions by 7h@ch, THEPOSH, Aegis and ruud). Q. What is CONMEBOL? A. Confederacion sudamericana de futbol, the South American Football Federation. The acronym was not CSF or similar because the organisers wanted to use the first, middle and last letters rather than just the initials. Q. What is the COPA LIBERTADORES? By Karel Stokkermans (from http://www.rsssf.com/sacups/copalib.html) The Copa Libertadores de Am‚rica (the Liberators Cup) is the most important South American club tournament, set up following the success of the European (Champions) Cup. Originally, each country entered one club (the national champions, though for Brazil the cup winners entered as there was no national league at the time). From 1966 on, each country entered two teams (apart from possibly the holders, which were exempt until the semifinals (second round) until the late eighties. Since 1998, Mexican teams are invited; until 2003 they had to enter a preliminary round with the Venezolan participants. Since 2000, countries have more than two entries; the main tournament now has 32 slots (for 11 countries), with a preliminary round involving 12 teams, of which 6 progress to the group stage (so in total, 38 participants). In 1948, a Copa de Campeones was held in Santiago, won by Vasco da Gama of Brazil; this tournament has been recognised as a precursor of the Copa Libertadores by the South American Federation (CSF). Q. What is the COPA AMERICA? By Ll‚o: The Copa America has traditionally been a tournament between the 10 national teams representing the FA members of CONMEBOL, but since 1993 two invited teams from outside the region (usually Concacaf, but Japan entered the 1999 edition) also enter the tournament. Regularly played since 1917, this cup is one of the world's oldest international soccer events. Although it was officially played every 4 years (except for the 1971 edition, which was cancelled), there have been many special editions so that the frequency has not been constant. However, from 1987 to 2001 the tournament was played every two years. With the only exception of the 1975, '79, and '83 editions, which were played on a home-away basis, the tournament takes place in a host country. The most cups have been won by Argentina (14) and Uruguay (14), followed by Brazil (7), Paraguay (2), Peru (2), Bolivia (1) and Colombia (1), a total of 41. Q. What is CONCACAF? A. It is the confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Football. Q. What is the TOYOTA CUP / WORLD CLUB CHAMPIONSHIP / INTERCONTINENTAL CUP? By Ll‚o: The Intercontinental Cup was a head-to-head tournament, on a home-away basis, held between the winners of the EC1 and the Copa Libertadores, played from 1960 to 1979. From 1980 until 2004, for sponsorship reasons, it was renamed the Toyota Cup and held as an one-off game in Japan (Tokyo, and later Yokohama). It passes itself off as the World Club Championship, and although it was effectively only open to teams from Europe and South America there is a fair amount of substance to the claim. South America held a lead of 22- 21 in terms of Cups won. The FIFA World Club Championship is a tournament held between the continental champions from all FIFA member confederations. It was first held in 2000 in Brasil, but not originally as a replacement of the Toyota Cup and only came back in 2005 in Japan. The 2005 edition replaced the old Toyota Cup." Q : Can I get a copy of the Laws of the Game anywhere? A : Yes. The best place to find the Laws is the FIFA website as it is likely to be up-to-date. See: http://www.fifa.com/en/regulations/index.html ***** 5. WHY SOCCER? (By Garry Archer) I am an Englishman that has taken on himself a personal crusade to respond to comments regarding the use of the "American" word for football. I have seen them over and over again on the worldwide computer news network, USENET, in its rec.sport.soccer newsgroup where I have been an active contributor for several years. To love the game of football is to love its rich history also. It particularly disturbs me when modern fans of the game less conversed in this history do not fully understand that the word "soccer" is an English -- NOT American -- word derived from the second syllable of the word "association". "Soccer" was originally called "association football" during the formation of the Football Association in England in the 1860s. This was to maintain a distinction from the other football game being organised in England at the same time based on the handling codes, whilst Association Football conformed to the dribbling codes. The other football came to be known as "rugby" football, named after the Rugby School in England, where it is said that a certain young student, William Webb Ellis, picked up the ball in his hands during an association football match and ran with it over the goal line. Master Ellis asked his teacher, who was refereeing, if that was a goal. The reply was, "No, but it was a jolly good 'try'", which is where one of the rugby scoring terms comes from. Rugby Union was formally organised by 1871, but suffered another split by 1893 when Rugby League was formed. I digress. Near the end of 1863, Charles Wreford-Brown, who later became a notable official of the Football Association, was asked by some friends at Oxford whether he cared to join them for a game of "rugger" (rugby). He is said to have refused, preferring instead to go for a game of "soccer" -- a play on the word "association". The name caught on. English public schoolboys love to nickname things, then as much as now. The tendency is to add "er" to the end of many words. Rugby [Union] Football became "rugby", and then "rugger". Association Football was better know as "assoccer" and naturally evolved into "soccer" which is much easier for a schoolboy to say... Therefore, the word "soccer" has been used in the mother country of all football-type games since at least the mid-19th century. The word "football", however, was more descriptive of the game (i.e. kicking a ball with the feet!) and was the term more frequently used. The British exported the game, so naturally the word "football" was the name mostly used all over the world. In recent decades it has been noted that the word "soccer" is apparently increasing in usage. The word "football" still appears in formal designations, however, in for example, Federation Internationale de Football Association (FIFA). The word "soccer" is more commonly used in several countries around the world that play other forms of football. Australians have Australian Football. The Irish have Gaelic football. In the USA and Canada, of course, there is Gridiron football. Rugby Union, Rugby League, Australian Rules, Gaelic, American and Canadian football all owe their roots to Association football. With the exception of Gaelic Football, they all use an ovoid shaped ball. None is as popular around the world as Association football. "Football" is the world standard name for "soccer". I always used the word "football" (and still do, wherever I can). The word "soccer", however, is engrained into the origins of the modern game of association football as much as any other aspect of The Game much of the world enjoys today. Finally, it must be remembered that British football, both association and rugby, had been organised in the 19th century by people in the upper echelons of the English educational system, from "exotic" schools, colleges and universities as Harrow, Eton, Oxford and Cambridge, just for starters. As I stated earler, students of the Victorian era, as much as now, loved nicknames and "soccer" and "rugger" were the accepted everyday names for those people. These were sports for gentlemen. When the games were taken up by those less fortunate enough to have received the higher (and more expensive) levels of education the game of soccer became very popular with the masses. Rugger, less so. As the rules became increasingly divergent between the two sports, soccer became the people's sport and rugger remained more of a "gentleman's" game. Ever heard the phrase, "Soccer is a gentleman's game played by ruffians and Rugby is a ruffian's game played by gentlemen"? So "soccer" was a fanciful, gentleman's name for the sport. The mere, common man started to call it "football" for the obvious reason that it's a game about a ball kicked with the foot. The game, and the word, was exported by British workers, students and merchant and naval seamen all over the world in the latter 19th and early 20th century ... and the name, and the game, blossomed. I prefer to call it "footy" myself! Yours in football, Garry Archer ***** 6. INTERNET RELAY CHAT (IRC) As of April 2006 the only current irc channel used regularly by RSS contributors is on the austnet network. To access IRC you need IRC software. The most popular versions are: MIRC (for PC) PIRCH98 (for PC) XCHAT (for Linux) IRCLE (for Apple) These can found easily with a WWW search. After downloading and installing the software you need to access the AUSTNET Network. A list of available servers is kept at http://www.austnet.org/servers.php The current listing (April 2006) has the following servers: netspace.vic.au.austnet.org comcen.nsw.au.austnet.org pacific.sg.austnet.org starhub.sg.austnet.org fnode.il.us.austnet.org cyclone.il.us.austnet.org njit.nj.us.austnet.org Using the first server in the list above as an example, accessing the austnet network from your IRC software is as simple as typing the command: /server netspace.vic.au.austnet.org After accessing the server, the following channels are available for RSS users: #rss #wcrss (during world cups) You can join a channel by typing the command: /join #rss or /join #wcrss