From: Riffster (nerazzurri@nowayJOSEattbi.com)
Subject: Italian Teams Dominate Again 
Date: 2002-03-21 18:25:17 PST 

Well, this is a sad state when every time you turn around
an Italian side is winning in Europe. A Juventus B side
eliminates a pompous Arsenal, even when a man down.
Milan sends upstart Hapoel packing back to Tel Aviv
and Inter blanks Valencia in the Mestella.

What can one say when so much pasta and wine is flowing,
and when the EPL, Bundesliga, and mighty La Liga manage
a grand total of one semifinalist between them in the UEFA
Cup while Serie A boasts a brace of teams. And this in the
UEFA Cup - the toughest Cup from start to finish.

What can one say? Possibly some sort of player exchange
could be initiated to help pump up the weak-sister leagues in
Europe (Bundesliga, Liga, and EPL prime amongst them...)
Maybe those countries should re-examine their system of
soccer and the over-indulgence in feckless rushes upfield
punctuated with needless and superfluous juggling and non-
existent defense? Regardless of the theories one might apply
to improve the woeful condition of Spanish, English and
German soccer, one may simply have to admit to the inevi-
table - Italy is stomping the yarbles out of the rest of Europe.

Sad - just plain sad. One has to weep at the thought of the
innocents that will wander forth from those diluted leagues
into the World Cup. Maybe the Italians should be penalized
a man down right away at the start of each game. That
might make the World Cup somewhat close.

But probably not.

After all, the Italians have Toldo.

- Riff "Old Man and the RSS" Ster

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From: Thach H Nguyen (esse@nullify2mail.inkslab.com)
Subject: Re: Italian Teams Dominate Again 
Date: 2002-03-21 19:45:51 PST 

Just to let you know I've started the counter.


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From: luke (esundara@ford.com)
Subject: Re: Italian Teams Dominate Again 
Date: 2002-03-21 20:00:18 PST 

The Champions League (OR European Cup) is the elite competition in
Europe. The UEFA cup is for the poor relatives or first round losers of
the Champions league to drop into.
How many Italian teams are there in the quarter finals of the Champions
League?
Yes thats right. Keep counting.

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From: Thach H Nguyen (esse@nullify2mail.inkslab.com)
Subject: Re: Italian Teams Dominate Again 
Date: 2002-03-21 22:44:02 PST 

one...

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From: Walter Garcia-Fontes (wgarcia@upf.es)
Subject: Re: Italian Teams Dominate Again 
Date: 2002-03-21 23:40:28 PST 

* Renaud Dreyer  [970426 19:57]:
> 
> Serie A is the elite championship in Europe. How many English, Spanish
> or German teams are there in the top 10 in Serie A?
> Yes, that's right. Keep couting. Ciao,
> 

Plus you haven't seen the last names of the forwards of under-16 
Danubio (Montevideo) team:

Daniel Gambetta, Ruben Lochelli and  Enzo Bicicletta

All three with Italian passports. 

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From: Riffster (nerazzurri@nowayJOSEattbi.com)
Subject: Re: Italian Teams Dominate Again 
Date: 2002-03-22 16:36:07 PST 

I hereby petition The Judges Whom It May Concern
for this one to count as "two."

- Riff "Thar she is - the white whale!" Ster


"Bordon Gone"  wrote in message

> Some people seem to never deal with the facts - that is incredible!
>
> Why can't people see that success in the Champions League has NOTHING,
> NIENTE to do with the quality of a country's teams !??!??!!? Is there
> any better proof than the lack of Italian clubs in the EC quarterfinals.
>
> C'mon! Let's get real! If the Champions League were to measure the best
> teams in Europe, there should be at least 14 spots for Serie A teams,
> with 2 more spots for the rest of Europe - such is the imbalance of
> power... Of course, because the slots are not allocated fairly, then
> we have these anomalies such as less than 6 Italian clubs in the QFs!!!

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From: futbolmetrix (dpaserma@shum.huji.ac.il)
Subject: Re: Italian Teams Dominate Again 
Date: 2002-03-23 15:58:19 PST 

I hereby propose to nominate Riffster's post as the Best Troll
Ever, and to induct it immediately into the RSS Hall of Fame.

The list of Riffster trollees includes:

1) Luke
2) Jay
3) Mark

[three newbies/lurkers, that's OK, but then...]

4) Bruce Scott (!!!)
5) Bordon Gone (!!!!!!)

Plus, I'm not sure whether to count

6) Renaud Dreyer (!!!)
7) Wiseguy
8) Robert the 'Erbert (trolled by Bordon's troll) 

Hats off, Riff, you old troll. Hats off.

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From: Renaud Dreyer (rdreyer@math.berkeley.edu)
Subject: Re: Italian Teams Dominate Again 
Date: 2002-03-23 16:29:46 PST 

dpaserma@shum.huji.ac.il (futbolmetrix) writes:


> 6) Renaud Dreyer (!!!)

This (tentative) proposal officially makes you part of your own list,
as a metatrollee (or is it a post-trollee?). Ciao,

                  Renaud Dreyer

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From: Riffster (nerazzurri@nowayJOSEattbi.com) 
Subject: Re: Italian Teams Dominate Again 
Date: 2002-03-24 07:08:04 PST 

I just realized something that approaches the metaphysical
-- or as close at metaphysics will allow itself to come to
RSS -- I can never troll again like this on RSS. :{

As the curve of the breast is destroyed by the hand
that caresses it, as the gentle slope of a pristine hill
is diminished by the foot of the worshipper that walks
it, so is the troll deflated by the trollee.

So be it as written in the Book of Ludicrous.

- Riff "four hours and 24, no 23, minutes...." Ster


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From: Riffster (nerazzurri@nowayJOSEattbi.com)
Subject: Re: Italian Teams Dominate Again 
Date: 2002-03-24 06:59:54 PST 


> I hereby propose to nominate Riffster's post as the Best Troll
> Ever, and to induct it immediately into the RSS Hall of Fame.

Bows, creaks, decides to merely wave. (help, I am
acquiring the third person narrative! Victoria should
be suspended on accumulated bookings.)

>
> The list of Riffster trollees includes:
>
> 1) Luke
> 2) Jay
> 3) Mark

This is almost biblical in proportions - although I have
been unable to find the Book of Jay. Any religious
scholars in RSS?

> [three newbies/lurkers, that's OK, but then...]
>
> 4) Bruce Scott (!!!)

He has been in Germany too long - his sense of humor
has shrivelled. Either that or too much turbulence in
his drift waves (if you know what I mean.....)

> 5) Bordon Gone (!!!!!!)

This is the one I am most proud of - I will hang him
on my wall next to the Sailfish I caught in the Sea of
Cortez.

Although feeding on one's own kind is somewhat
alarming - then again this is RSS.

Happens all the time.

>
> Plus, I'm not sure whether to count
>
> 6) Renaud Dreyer (!!!)
> 7) Wiseguy
> 8) Robert the 'Erbert (trolled by Bordon's troll)

I definitely claim Renaud - but I am going to need
a professional taxidermist to help me with this one
- something about over-inflated gallic egos.  ;}

Wiseguy - automatically counts since his nick is
obviously an oxymoron.

Robert the 'Erbert jumped into the net with Bordon
- why throw him back? Why throw him up when
you can "tack him up."

>
> Hats off, Riff, you old troll. Hats off.

Thank you Grasshopper. My trophy wall overfloweth.

- Riff "four hours and 31 minutes" Ster

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From: Renaud Dreyer (rdreyer@math.berkeley.edu)
Subject: Re: Italian Teams Dominate Again 
Date: 2002-03-24 10:30:51 PST 

"Riffster"  writes:

> I definitely claim Renaud - but I am going to need
> a professional taxidermist to help me with this one
> - something about over-inflated gallic egos.  ;}

Fantastic, that makes you metatrollee #2. Being metatrolled on your
own troll is quite an achievement. I thereby claim your
metatrophy. Metacio,

                   Renaud